r/CFB Kansas • /r/CFB Emeritus Mod 8d ago

[Dellenger] CFP working group is recommending a 12-team playoff: 6 highest-ranked conference champs & 6 at-large. The 4 highest-ranked champs get a bye while other 8 play 1st-round games on campus. News

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u/HowardBunnyColvin Virginia Tech 8d ago

Home campus playoff games is bad ass

The atmosphere 👀

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u/Helpful_Handful Clemson 8d ago

Yo 5 seed please, fuck a bye

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u/Only_the_Tip Iowa State • Michigan State 8d ago

This guy is itching to play 3 sec teams to go yachting

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u/1nf1niteCS Nevada • Northwestern 8d ago

I just want to see Bama play a road playoff game in Pullman in the snow now.

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u/NyquillusDillwad20 Penn State • Appalachian State 8d ago

That would require Bama to be seeded anywhere from 9th to 12th.

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u/Train350 Michigan 8d ago

They were 13th when they crushed #14 Michigan in the Citrus Bowl two seasons ago. That was effectively the losers bracket lol

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u/Useenthebutcher Ohio State • The Game 8d ago edited 8d ago

But if the playoff was expanded during that year I guarantee that they would have a higher ranking. Once they were out of the 4 team bracket it didn’t matter what they were ranked. In a 12 team playoff, a 10-2 Bama team would be ranked no lower than 6-7. Same would apply to the other frequent playoff teams

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u/OKC89ers Oklahoma • Big 8 8d ago

I agree, people will vote for how they want the bracket to look rather than actually ranking them accurately

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u/TheNewDiogenes Virginia • Georgia Tech 8d ago

I wanna see Bama play on a cold rainy night in Stoke

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u/AARonBalakay22 Georgia 8d ago

Lads, it’s Tennessee

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u/Sigurd_of_Chalphy Ole Miss • College Football Playoff 8d ago

Tennessee and Tottenham have won about the same number of trophies in the last 20 years. I don’t think Spurs have won a champions of life yet though.

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u/AARonBalakay22 Georgia 8d ago

Tottenham “putting pressure on” is their champions of life

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u/tomdawg0022 Minnesota • Delaware 8d ago

Tony Pulis enters the chat

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u/BurritoBoiii1202 NC State 8d ago

Parking the bus against Saban.

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u/BabyFaceIT Northwestern • Verified Staff 8d ago

I want Bama v NU in a December winter vortex.

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u/BigPoppaPuff Illinois 8d ago

True, Alabama will likely have a tough time if they have to rely on handing it off to Mark Ingram, Eddie Lacy, Derrick Henry or Najee Harris 40 times a game and can't do the fancy spread stuff that has been their bread and butter for all of.. checks notes a couple years

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u/Adessecian Iowa State • Iowa 8d ago

I mean I’m with you it likely won’t affect Bama…

But when Iowa State plays the Texas teams at home in late November, that’s a 10 point advantage.

A team like Florida? USC? In a 12 team playoff there will be a few teams in the 8-12 range who I’d bet wouldn’t handle a snow game well.

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u/Noooowayjose 8d ago

I mean it's not like USC doesn't play Utah and Colorado schools right, so they definitely would at a disadvantage playing in the snow.

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u/Adessecian Iowa State • Iowa 8d ago

Sure, but snow isn’t the isn’t the issue. It’s the Temp. I’d play CO in 30 degrees and six inches before I’d play Wisconsin in 10 degrees and 2 inches.

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u/AudiieVerbum Texas • Southwest 8d ago

Altitude matters at that stage as well. The whole plains are only a few hundred feet above, but Colorado is (hehehe) so high.

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u/Khorasaurus Notre Dame 8d ago

The ND-SC series is littered with examples of SC playing horribly on a very cold day in South Bend.

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u/JustLurking2021 8d ago

And in that series, they've arranged to only play the Sept/Oct games in south bend. The late season games are always in LA.

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u/1nf1niteCS Nevada • Northwestern 8d ago

Maximum lake effect

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u/Booshay 8d ago

Polar vortex and a team from the Deep South. Name a more entertaining combo

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u/Bama_gains Alabama 8d ago

Ah yes another deserving victim of we want bama.

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u/FellKnight Boise State • Arizona State 8d ago

I remember around Brady's record shattering seasons in the late 00s with the Pats they were scheduled to play Tennessee at home in a blizzard. I made the biggest bets of my life on the Titans (+14-17 IIRC) and the Under (low 40s).

NE won 59-0 in only the third most embarrassing game with that particular scoreline.

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u/mashonem Alabama 8d ago

That was the game that made me realize that snow isn’t always the impediment that people like to claim

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u/enjoytheshow Illinois 8d ago

Play it at Soldier Field on the awful dead winter grass for maximum home field advantage. Give me a 6-3 NU proper Midwest shithouse victory.

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u/argonautleader NC State 8d ago

Translated, that's a 2-1 scoreline in goals. Checks out. Problem is the return visit to Tuscaloosa. That away goal was a big get for the Tide.

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u/ThaMac Washington State • Harvard 8d ago

I’m almost there keep going

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u/HGpennypacker Wisconsin 8d ago

Good lord Jump Around at Camp Randall at night for a playoff game?! They’ll feel that shit across Lake Michigan.

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u/tomdawg0022 Minnesota • Delaware 8d ago

Need it to be -10 for bonus effect.

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u/smitheri 8d ago

Western Michigan planning to use some of that $550MM to reinforce and earthquake-proof their buildings in preparation.

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u/commie_heathen Wisconsin 8d ago

Student section still rolls in mid second quarter

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u/SSPeteCarroll Virginia Tech • Longwood 8d ago

My god if we ever host a home playoff game can you imagine how loud Lane would be? There may be a legitimate earthquake during Enter Sandman.

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u/kinggareth Oklahoma 8d ago edited 8d ago

So, if I read this correct, ND can not get a bye as an independent?

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u/1TaylorPlace Notre Dame • DePauw 8d ago

Heather Dinich said on Twitter that this is true. “I’m told Notre Dame cannot get a bye under this proposal.”

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u/neovenator250 Paper Bag • /r/CFB 8d ago

I mean...why should they get a bye since they'll never have to play in a conference championship game?

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u/tks231 Appalachian State • Team Meteor 8d ago

Under this proposal, last season, Cincy and Coastal or Louisiana (there wasn't a Sun Belt title game so they were co champs) would have made the playoff over Pac-12 Champion Oregon.

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u/thecravenone Texas A&M • Team Chaos 8d ago

>Playoff expands

>PAC still finds a way to not make it

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u/huskermut Nebraska • Wyoming 8d ago

Larry Scott: "This is the schools' fault."

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u/FellKnight Boise State • Arizona State 8d ago

I'm so glad he's gone

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u/GravitysRainbowRuns Ohio State 8d ago

You’re not wrong, but 2020 isn’t really the best season to use as an example.

Multiple conferences didn’t come close to playing full seasons, and most/all of the ones that did had some Covid related shenanigans.

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u/VHBlazer UAB • Alabama 8d ago

Subscribe.

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u/SonyCanEatMyAss 8d ago

I don’t like when people say things like this (no offense lol) because the committee absolutely ranks teams differently based on the model that the playoff follows.

They would’ve just ranked Oregon higher to put them in the playoff.

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u/citronaughty UCF • /r/CFB Brickmason 8d ago

As much as I want a playoff with 10 spots for the 10 conference champs, with this proposed system, I will look forward to the day when the AAC and Sun Belt champs are both ranked higher than a P5 conference champ, and leave them out in the cold.

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u/Impulse_Cheese_Curds Iowa 8d ago

Would've been this past season.

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u/citronaughty UCF • /r/CFB Brickmason 8d ago

Yes, and it would have been glorious!

(cool username, btw)

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u/Impulse_Cheese_Curds Iowa 8d ago

The best cheese curds are the unexpected ones.

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u/dhalloffame Texas • 東海大学 (Tokai) 8d ago

On campus first round games would be huge for the schools. Imagine cincy getting to host a playoff game last year. Would be great for fans to see their teams play other great teams at home.

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u/19Styx6 Iowa State 8d ago

It would allow for the possibility for some shitty weather games.

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u/puffadda Oklahoma • Ohio State 8d ago

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u/19Styx6 Iowa State 8d ago

I want to see Wyoming host a game. Laramie can be really shitty in December.

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u/JGraham626 Texas A&M • North Texas 8d ago

I wonder if it’s worse playing in a super northern state during the winter or a southern state in August and September

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u/ILoveZimsD Minnesota • Iowa State 8d ago

If it’s around 20 in the north the south would be tougher but if it got below -10 the north would be.

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u/Ingliphail Wisconsin-Whitewater • Wi… 8d ago

I always think about this. It never gets COLD down south, but it does get hot and humid up north. It may not be an everyday thing, but it does happen.

Northern player: This sucks, but this is kind of like that shitty week in training camp.

Southern player: I have literally never experienced this cold.

To be honest though, I think temperature stuff is overrated these days. You're on the field competing and not really thinking about it. When you're off the field you're, getting blasted with high-tech fans or heaters.

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u/velociraptorfarmer Iowa State • Minnesota State 8d ago

Case in point: it's 98F here in Wisconsin today with a feels like of 106F.

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u/KushDingies Northwestern • North Carolina 8d ago

Please god give me a playoff game at Ryan Field.

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u/numinos710 Ohio State • Akron 8d ago

Grass would be above the teams' knees...

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u/Th3St1g Arizona State 8d ago

3? They’re gonna have 7. The conference winner and all the at large.

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u/Long-Schlong-Silvers Michigan State 8d ago

Heard some radio hosts arguing this is good because the SEC could get six teams in.

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u/ravaille Maryland 8d ago

Sign me up for some southern school playing at Wisconsin in the snow.

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u/minneapple79 Wisconsin 8d ago

YES INJECT THIS STRAIGHT INTO MY VEINS I WANT A 9-2 FLORIDA TEAM COMING TO MEET 9-2 WISCONSIN AT CAMP RANDALL IN DECEMBER LET'S DO IT.

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u/Ingliphail Wisconsin-Whitewater • Wi… 8d ago

Last time a team from Florida came to play a team from Wisconsin in winter with championship implications, it didn't end well for the team from Wisconsin...sigh.

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u/Long-Schlong-Silvers Michigan State 8d ago

I’ll never forgive GB.

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u/ThymeToDine Florida • Arkansas 8d ago

You really want to see how a small army of Florida Men will react to the snow in the state with the most bars per capita in the US? You might wanna think that through a bit more.

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u/Untthrowawayy33 8d ago

Florida Man Goes to Wisconsin: You Can Write The Rest of This Story and it Would Be Just as Incredulous

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u/J_A_Y_x Wisconsin • Notre Dame 8d ago

WE LEGITMATELY MIGHT WANT BAMA IN THIS SPECIFIC SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES

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u/not_mantiteo Iowa • Wisconsin 8d ago

Imagine Bama at Kinnick at Night though

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u/LessWorseMoreBad Auburn • Middle Tennessee 8d ago

It happens... Saban gets upset by Wiskey... Decides to take up residence at MSU... Proceeds to ramrod the B1G for the next 20 years

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u/ravaille Maryland 8d ago

Think of the fullback runs in the 4th quarter if you're up by a couple scores. They'll be neverending.

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u/calling-all-comas Florida • Cheez-It Bowl 8d ago

I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO SEE A SNOWED OUT BIG10 GAME IN PERSON. COUNT ME IN.

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u/wherewulf23 Ohio State • Montana State 8d ago

If that happens y'all better invent some type of long jort or you'll be freezing your little gators off!

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u/19Styx6 Iowa State 8d ago

Wyoming is my #1 choice. Laramie is over 7,000 ft in elevation and windy as hell. I'd love to see an SEC team have to play there in December. It would be real interesting to see how many visiting fans would be willing to make the journey for the game.

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u/genericreddituser986 Michigan • Paper Bag 8d ago

I need Wisconsin to host some warm weather team for a playoff game in December

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u/LeoFireGod Oklahoma 8d ago

Honestly they would have to offer the on campus games for the 1-4 teams too because it’s actually a future disadvantage to not have one. The revenue and recruiting from hosting a playoff game would be a huge boost

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u/MadameGopher Alabama • Ole Miss 8d ago

They could do the second round games (8 teams left) at 1-4’s stadiums. That would allow for the top 8 teams to all have hosted a game and the neutral site stadiums still get to host the semifinal games they’re contracted to host.

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u/CheddarJalapeno Tennessee 8d ago

I believe this is the answer.

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u/tehfro Indiana 8d ago

I'd vastly prefer that over quarterfinals at the bowl sites. Also makes the regular season mean more.

Furthermore, I think it's a tough sell for fans to travel to 3 different neutral site games potentially

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u/Captain_Uniball /r/CFB 8d ago

The fans that can afford to go to 3 playoff games can swing the travel cost.

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u/bronxbomber1602 Florida 8d ago

According to ESPN's report the quarterfinals and on would be played as a bowl game. So #1-4 would not get a home playoff game, which I think is total BS. The play in round and the quarterfinals should be home games for the higher ranked team.

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u/MadameGopher Alabama • Ole Miss 8d ago

I saw that. I hate it.

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u/Ingliphail Wisconsin-Whitewater • Wi… 8d ago

In terms of revenue, I'm sure the TV contracts would account for that and a bye could be a boon for recruiting. "We're not playing this week, you know why? We're fucking great and you can help us continue to be great."

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u/CheddarJalapeno Tennessee 8d ago

In terms of revenue, I'm sure the TV contracts would account for that

Not for the local economy. Hotels, restaurants, etc etc

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u/hallese Nebraska • South Dakota State 8d ago

Not for the local economy. Hotels, restaurants, etc etc

Official response from the NCAA

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u/smiles_and_cries Southwest • Cotton Bowl 8d ago

I might be in the minority but I believe all playoff games should be on campus except for the championship game.

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u/ravaille Maryland 8d ago

I agree, but they'll probably do neutral site semis too unfortunately.

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u/Californie_cramoisie Alabama • /r/CFB Poll Veteran 8d ago

Yeah, they're not going to throw the big bowl games under the bus. As much as I would love campus games for the semis.

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u/dkviper11 Penn State • Land Grant Trophy 8d ago

Laughing at the idea of frozen pipes in Beaver Stadium for a late December playoff game. We really need to get on the stick with the renovations.

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u/ajukid111 UCF 8d ago

Coastal getting a playoff home game would be insane

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u/Bearcat9948 Cincinnati 8d ago edited 8d ago

I would love for a fans of a big, P5 school to experience Nipp at Night, especially in that particular setting. So much fun.

Edit: Worth noting though, the AAC already does home championship games, so we sorta~ get to do this already. Ofc this year there were no fans

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u/FreeFlipsie Georgia • Cincinnati 8d ago

Now I can’t stop thinking about how much fun the tailgate would be for a game like that. I need this

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u/Ugadead1991 Georgia • /r/CFB Top Scorer 8d ago

Skyline chili Everywhere :D

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u/Nicholas1227 Michigan • Slippery Rock 8d ago

Can second round games be on campus too? It seems like if 5-8 get a home game, 1-4 should too.

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u/DopeSoMojo Alabama 8d ago

Maybe some other schools are different, but Tuscaloosa is a ghost town during winter break (December 15th-ish to January 5th-ish). I think over 50% of the campus are out of state students. Not saying Bryant Denny stadium wouldn’t fill up if we hosted a playoff game, but it’s just something to consider

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u/CheddarJalapeno Tennessee 8d ago

It would be huge for small college towns if fans/students had an excuse to stay or come back for several weeks in a traditionally dead period.

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u/Ersatzself Virginia Tech • Michigan 8d ago

I think the fix is to start the season at what is now week zero and/or do what the B1G and Pac12 tried to do last year and have everyone play on champ weekend with matchups determined by conference finish. Then no one plays 13 games but everyone still plays 12 and you can have the playoff games with students still there.

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u/genericreddituser986 Michigan • Paper Bag 8d ago

Seems like "6 highest ranked conference champs" implies that there's not necessarily an auto-bid for P5 champs. Like if a 7-5 team somehow wins the conference championship game, then that would open the door for a G5 champ to likely get an auto-bid, right? Seems pretty sweet

Also YES to home playoff games

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u/DCAbloob Penn State • Navy 8d ago

The highest ranked G5 champion would always get an autobid no matter what. This scenario (if verified) would allow for the possibility of two G5 champions getting autobids and locking the worst ranked P5 champion out. That’s exactly what would have happened last season with Cincinnati and Coastal Carolina both ranked way higher than Oregon.

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u/OK_HS_Coach Oklahoma • Northeastern State 8d ago

That’s assuming the voters don’t adjust to make sure that doesn’t happen.

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u/Ersatzself Virginia Tech • Michigan 8d ago

I don't think there'd be much incentive to. The other p5 champ or another team from the conference could still make it as an at large so all the conferences would still be represented.

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u/arrowfan624 Notre Dame • Summertime Lover 8d ago

We still need some type of system for seeding. Just use the BCS for that

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u/Crow_T_Simpson LSU 8d ago

But the BCS doesn't arbitrarily decide when results matter like the committee. We can't have that.

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u/c2dog430 Baylor • SMU 8d ago

In 2019 I wrote a python script on a Saturday that outperformed some of the computer rankings used in BCS using only final score data.

BCS wasn't great.

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u/Herokid11 UCF • Summertime Lover 8d ago edited 8d ago

They can in vaguer cases, but the lawsuits and stuff that would ensue from a 9-4 Virginia outranking 13-0 Memphis and 12-1 BSU, or a 3-2 Oregon outranking a 9-0 Cincy and 10-0 CCU would be massive. There’d be no defense for it and most fans would see straight through the BS.

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u/UncleMalcolm Virginia • Orange Bowl 8d ago

Yes, how do I sign up for said 9-4 conference championship season?

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u/OwenProGolfer Wisconsin • Air Force 8d ago

Beat Clemson

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u/UncleMalcolm Virginia • Orange Bowl 8d ago

Hmm…interesting concept

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u/th3thund3rmuffin North Carolina 8d ago

We must consider this idea further before we pursue it.

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u/arrowfan624 Notre Dame • Summertime Lover 8d ago

I like that. That’s also a good coup for the G5. AAC and MWC could get playoff bids in the same year

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u/Papytendo Temple • West Virginia 8d ago

There's not a season since the start of the playoff where the AAC and MWC would've both been in for this format, but last year would've had the Cincy and Coastal in over Oregon.

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u/Ersatzself Virginia Tech • Michigan 8d ago

It appears to eliminate p5 altogether. Now it's just 10 conferences, that's refreshing.

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u/theasfldotcom UCF 8d ago

Bowl tie-ins and money keep the P5 as is, but it certainly helps a shitload. The argument could easily be made that it’s now easier to get into the playoff as a top tier G5 compared to a second tier P5.

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u/curlyshea Louisville • Keg of Nails 8d ago

Absolutely. I love this so much

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u/djsquilz Tulane • Ole Miss 8d ago

ole miss to the aac confirmed

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u/theasfldotcom UCF 8d ago

Nah, the Lane Train wants back in CUSA.

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u/TheMightyJD Baylor 8d ago

It’s awesome tbh.

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u/TheNastyCasty Texas • Southwest 8d ago

P5 was never an official thing according to the NCAA. They are called “autonomy conferences” because they have the power to pass their own financial benefit legislation. Unless something has changed with that, the P5 still has powers that the G5 doesn’t.

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u/Caffeine_Cowpies Missouri • Texas 8d ago

True but let’s say Cincy piles up a few runs to the CFP. They can build out their program, and maybe become a Gonzaga for College Football. I like Gonzaga, and it makes College Basketball more exciting.

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u/MidnightRambler1530 SMU • Transfer Portal 8d ago

It really helps give a sense of opportunity to the non-P5 teams.

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u/chaphen17 8d ago

A G5 conference vhampion is already guaranteed but that would open the door to another one getting an auto bid.

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u/FellKnight Boise State • Arizona State 8d ago

I can't wait for the SEC to break into 2 conferences to shut the G5 out (only partially /s)

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u/DkS_FIJI Ohio State • Ball State 8d ago

I love the suggestion.

It guarantees at least one G5 team gets a bid every year.

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u/ExternalTangents Florida Cup • Okefenokee Oar 8d ago

That is exactly what it means, the first reply to this tweet says so. It’s something I’ve been proselytizing for for years. It makes total sense, they wouldn’t want to codify special treatment for P5 conference into the playoff, because it would open them up for antitrust complaints and political intervention.

Plus it would reduce the chances that a big upset in a P5 title game might let in an unranked 8-5 team.

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u/mOnion Texas A&M • Orange Bowl 8d ago

yeah this solution is so much better than auto bids

the 7-5 ACC team upsetting Clemson in the ACC championship cuz the starting QB went down on play 1 doesn't automatically mean an awful team somehow fell backwards into a playoff spot by virtue of being in an awful division and lucking out in 1 game

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u/wolverine1819 Michigan 8d ago

Yup and I like it a ton so you could even get 2 g5 teams instead of only one. Like this year for example we would have had Cincinnati and I think coastal Carolina both make the playoffs with this rule

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u/gander49 San Diego State • Team Chaos 8d ago

I dig it. Also technically if this were in effect last year wouldn't Cinci and Coastal get in ahead of Pac-12 champ Oregon? That's pretty lol

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u/rnilbog Georgia • Rose Bowl 8d ago

Last year was an abberation. Oregon also went 4-2 in the regular season and there were very few non-conference games. You can't extrapolate using last year.

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u/jamiebond Oregon 8d ago

Well we weren't particularly good last year so I'd say that would just be the system working as intended lol.

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u/nightowl1135 Oregon 8d ago edited 8d ago

For reference, here is how this would have shaken out in the past years. Teams are listed 1-12 in order of the seed they would have received. I threw this together in like 5 minutes with quick googling so I might be off on a team or two. Fact-checking encouraged, but I think it's a good snapshot of what we're (potentially) signing up for:

2020: Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Texas A&M, Florida, Cincinnati, Georgia, Iowa State, Indiana, Coastal Carolina.

2019: LSU, Ohio State, Clemson, Oklahoma, Georgia, Oregon, Baylor, Wisconsin, Florida, Penn State, Utah, Memphis

2018: Alabama, Clemson, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Georgia, Michigan, UCF, Washington, Florida, LSU, Penn State

2017: Clemson, Oklahoma, Georgia, Ohio State, Alabama, Wisconsin, Auburn, USC, Penn State, Miami, Washington, UCF.

2016: Alabama, Clemson, Washington, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Oklahoma, Wisconsin, USC, Colorado, Florida State, Western Michigan

2015: Clemson, Alabama, Michigan State, Oklahoma, Iowa, Stanford, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Florida State, North Carolina, TCU, Houston.

2014: Alabama, Oregon, Florida State, Ohio State, Baylor, TCU, Michigan State, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Arizona, Kansas State, Boise State.

Edit: Updated to include visual brackets. The more I look and think about this, the more I love it.

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u/duckyforyou Michigan State • Notre Dame 8d ago

Oh yeah, I'd take these playoffs!

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u/nightowl1135 Oregon 8d ago

I'm arguing with Duck fans on a UO board who are bitching about this. I love what I am seeing from this system.

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u/duckyforyou Michigan State • Notre Dame 8d ago

This seems like a way better scenario for Oregon and the PAC-12 than the current one.

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u/frumious88 Ohio State • /r/CFB Poll Veteran 8d ago

hmm that 2018 playoff game. Hosting LSU at home with Joe Burrow coming back after transferring.

That sounds like it would have been a fun matchup, and then we get Notre Dame if we win?

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u/sebsasour Notre Dame • New Mexico 8d ago

Oklahoma would have been the 4 seed last year. Non conference champs can't earn a bye

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u/TheReformedBadger Paul Bunyan's Axe • /r/CFB Poll… 8d ago

That sucks for Notre Dame

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u/gencracken Stanford • California 8d ago

2015: Clemson, Alabama, Michigan State, Oklahoma, Iowa, Stanford, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Florida State, North Carolina, TCU, Houston.

Stanford in a football playoff? Hmm, pretty sure that's not allowed.

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u/nightowl1135 Oregon 8d ago

Hosting one, no less. TCU @ Stanford would be a weird-ass playoff game but I'm down.

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u/wolverine1819 Michigan 8d ago

Man that would have been so much more fun than what we got the last few years

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u/Idavid14 Washington State 8d ago

Imagine all of the commercials ESPN will have to run for a 12 team playoff! Will there even be commentary during the other bowl games or will they now have to spend every minute hyping up the 12 team playoff.

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u/dogwoodmaple Georgia 8d ago edited 8d ago

17 potential games for a team

  • 12 regular season

  • Conference championship

  • First round

  • Quarterfinals

  • Semifinals

  • Championship

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u/rnilbog Georgia • Rose Bowl 8d ago

Play at Hawaii for extra fun.

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u/ToeInDigDeep Fresno State • Mountain West 8d ago

Actually, teams seem to be eschewing the 13th game for whatever reason.

Fresno State, San Jose State, San Diego State, UNR, and UNLV are all in the 'Bow's division, and are guaranteed to play on the rock alternating years.

But in recent years, we haven't elected to take an extra game, even to get a 7th home game. Not sure why, but it's something we have stoped doing

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u/rnilbog Georgia • Rose Bowl 8d ago

Probably because 13 games is a lot.

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u/genericreddituser986 Michigan • Paper Bag 8d ago

Don’t the FCS teams regularly play 15 and 16 games? Doesnt seem like 16-17 games a year is too terrible

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u/MyAnswerIsMaybe 8d ago

And it's 17 for a team that is likely very flooded with resources

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u/squirrelball44 Washington 8d ago

Players will also most likely be sitting out in 2nd half of several regular season games on those teams

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u/Lobo9498 8d ago

Not like many of the players aren't already used to a lot of games. If they come from powerhouse HS teams, chances are they play 15-16 games a season. Texas HS Playoffs can go 6 rounds deep, with a 10 game regular season prior to playoffs. Not certain on how other states do it, but I imagine the HS teams that win end up in 12-14 games a season at least.

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u/gander49 San Diego State • Team Chaos 8d ago

This is an interesting decision. All of a sudden ~120 teams seasons become infinitely more interesting. The mid/low tier P5s and majority of the G5 now are all playing for something every year and have a realistic path to the playoff.

On the flip side you have the truly elite 8-12 schools who now are given an additional safety net via at large bids. Most of their fans are unhappy because it devalues their regular season.

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u/Geauxpack81 LSU • California 8d ago

Basically summed it up in a nutshell. I'm happy for the G5 teams to actually have a shot, maybe this means their is some redistribution of the talent pool... However it also basically assures Bama is in every single playoff, and will likely be in every single Final 4 or championship game. They would basically need to lose 3 times in the regular season to not make it.

Unless computers determined the rankings entirely, then maybe another 2 loss team would be ranked ahead of them.

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u/TheMightyJD Baylor 8d ago

Bama and Clemson have been in every single playoffs but one each. It won’t change a thing for them lol.

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u/Hugefootballfan44 UCLA • Wisconsin 8d ago

And they both still would've missed the playoff those years under this format also. There's more margin for error for them with this, of course, but it still isn't that much.

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u/BigFoot423205 Alabama • Third Saturday… 8d ago

They dropped us that far bc at that point, it really didn't matter. With a 12 team playoff, I doubt they give us the same ranking, fair or not.

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u/iowastatefan Iowa State • Fiesta Bowl 8d ago

They functionally already have that benefit. I get that in some ways this codifies it in the short term, but if it was already like that, at least this gives other programs a way to earn their way in and take their shot at the blue bloods while also, as you said, hopefully redistributing the talent pool over time to introduce a little more parity so that teams other than Clemson and Bama and Ohio State are more competitive for championships.

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u/TigerWoodsLibido Oregon • Rutgers 8d ago

Last season the Pac12 still wouldn't have gotten in!! LOL

FIRED LARRY SCOTT!!!!! WOOOHOOO!!!!!!!!!

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u/civil_set Oregon 8d ago

agreed but don't forget the covid factor last year, so it's not a great example. covid for pac12 was an entirely different beast compared to other conferences

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u/Ehdelveiss Washington 8d ago

Yeah but our states also came down hard on Covid restrictions, we were playing a whole different ball game compared to the rest of the country trying to put on a season

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u/FlyerBuck Ohio State • South Carolina 8d ago

The home playoff game thing makes me wish Ohio State wouldn't be top 4. Having a team like Florida or Georgia come play at The Shoe in December? Sign me up!

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u/rarepanda13 Ohio State • Florida State 8d ago

I may be in the minority on this. Personally I’d prefer to avoid the elimination game first round, even though it’s guaranteed to be an amazing environment

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u/BabyFaceIT Northwestern • Verified Staff 8d ago

Note: it’s not highest ranked P5.

They’re actually gonna do it. I can’t believe it. They’re actually gonna do something right by the little guy and let the teams determine their fate. Tears will be shed if this becomes official

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u/Glader_Gaming Florida State • ECU 8d ago

It’s hasn’t happened yet so slow your roll buddy. Plenty of time for them to decide they actually just want to kick the G5 out of FBS or something crazy.

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u/kingkonig Alabama • Birmingham-Southern 8d ago

Note: it’s not highest ranked P5.

They’re actually gonna do it. I can’t believe it. They’re actually gonna do something right by the little guy and let the teams determine their fate.

I'll believe it when I see it. I think we'll be seeing 3 loss Pac-12 champions ranked higher than a 1 loss (or even undefeated) Sunbelt Champs. G5 teams are being thrown a bone to have one team guaranteed, but I don't think we should expect much more than that

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u/yesacabbagez UCF 8d ago

In 2017, 3 loss Stanford jumped 9 spots after beating ND to be right in front of UCF.

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u/LordSauron1984 Ohio State • Rose Bowl 8d ago

And it won't shock me if they're always the 12 seed and forced to go through the 5 seed every year.

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u/Hoosier3201 Indiana • Pittsburgh 8d ago

Damnit this blows we are never gonna get our rose Bowl:(

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u/12windiana Indiana • Old Oaken Bucket 8d ago

This sucks man, as if it wasn’t hard enough lol. Now it would be super unlikely to not only get that far in the playoff but happen to get matched up in the rose bowl. Pageantry be damned I guess

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u/genericreddituser986 Michigan • Paper Bag 8d ago

National championship should always be in the Rose Bowl at sunset

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u/Hoosier3201 Indiana • Pittsburgh 8d ago

I just wanted a rematch against USC, now I can hope to get smacked by Alabama if we manage to make the second round. It’s exciting sure, but I just want that bowl win.

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u/BIG_DICK_WHITT Utah • Coastal Carolina 8d ago

Yeah I mean, I’m not necessarily opposed to progress and changing things to better the sport but this is a real blow to the culture, traditions, and mystique of CFB. Those things are a major reason why I don’t watch the NFL or other pro sports—I don’t care about them. I like college football because it’s unique and cool.

I just wanted to go to the Rose Bowl man.

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u/Hoosier3201 Indiana • Pittsburgh 8d ago

I know I’m in the minority on this but an ideal season in my mind always ended with a rose bowl win. Perhaps that’s just because a rose bowl was already out of reach for us so a national championship was unthinkable, but I’ve always wanted that damn game in Pasadena and I don’t want college football to be just like every other sport. Im not a fan of an annual playoff contender, so good bowls were always what excited me and I don’t think this is a good thing, even if it has its clear benefits.

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u/BigFoot423205 Alabama • Third Saturday… 8d ago

The bitching and moaning when Bama, Clemson, or Ohio State wins the title as a 9-seed of higher will be glorious

I am here for on campus playoff games though

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u/AllHailRaccoons Alabama 8d ago

If they're doing home playoff games, the quarters should be on campuses too. Having teams face 3 consecutive bowl games is ridiculous and will guarantee a lower fan turnout.

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u/jjdawgs84 Georgia 8d ago

Shit might as well take one or two games during the year and rest everyone. Won't matter if you still have 2 losses.

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u/Albatross-Helpful Penn State • Illinois 8d ago

Securing the first round bye is so important tho

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u/MrPopps Iowa State • Marching Band 8d ago

THE POWER 6 RISES

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u/Darth_Ra Oklahoma • Maryland 8d ago

6 highest-ranked conference champs

They did it. The madlads did it! For years I've been correcting people on how stupid "P5 champions + Highest Ranked G5" is, and it turns out that some committee with actual power agrees with me! Now we won't get 3-loss conference champions with autobids when we could have two undefeated G5 champions instead!

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u/H2theBurgh Pittsburgh 8d ago

I didn't think they'd have the balls to actually do it. It hasn't quite been passed yet but I hope to see this implemented by 2023.

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u/confirmd_am_engineer Michigan State • Toledo 8d ago

FUCK YES INJECT IT INTO MY VEINS

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u/spritegoat Oregon 8d ago

It's fascinating how split opinions are on this. I'm kinda in the middle. It's going to create some really fun scenarios, but also create some more issues and destroy bowl games. I hate the current format but I can't really think of a better solution. If it happens it happens, and I for one am not gonna complain about being able to watch more playoff games come december/january, especially if those games are on campuses.

But one thing is for certain, the BCS is NEVER coming back to those who are crying about it, sorry.

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u/ecupatsfan12 ECU • Kent State 8d ago

If we had this when I was at ECU I would have died at the tailgate

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u/wolverine1819 Michigan 8d ago

I actually like this format. Still keeps the importance of winning your conference and gives other teams who didn’t win a shot if they are good

I hope the first round games are on campus

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u/14thAndVine Nebraska • North Dakota State 8d ago

Don't be naïve guys, they're just doing this to distract us from the fact that Kansas beat Texas in 2016.

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u/thereisasuperee Texas A&M • Texas A&M-Corp… 8d ago

I like this 12 team playoff, I like the 4 team playoff, I liked the BCS.

For the love of god can we chill with the “this is gonna to ruin college football” hot takes. All anyone does on this god forsaken site is whine.

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u/dhc96 Kansas State • Clemson 8d ago

This take alone has ruined the CFB landscape. /s

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u/Darth_Ra Oklahoma • Maryland 8d ago edited 8d ago

Since I haven't been allowed to do my Playoff Scenario posts here in the sub in a while, here's what this system would have looked like for last year:

2020 Twelve Team Playoff Bracket, Quarterfinals

  • #1 Alabama Alabama (11-0, SEC Champ) - BYE
  • #2 Clemson Clemson (10-1, ACC Champ) - BYE
  • #3 Ohio State Ohio State (6-0, B1G Champ) - BYE
  • #4 Notre Dame Notre Dame (10-1, At-Large #1) - BYE
  • #12 Coastal Carolina Coastal Carolina (11-0, Sun Belt Champ) @ #5 Texas A&M Texas A&M (8-1, At-Large #2)
  • #11 Indiana Indiana (6-1, At-Large #6) @ #6 Oklahoma Oklahoma (8-2, Big XII Champ)
  • #10 Iowa State Iowa State (8-3, At-Large #5) @ #7 Florida Florida (8-3, At-Large #3)
  • #9 Georgia Georgia (7-2, At-Large #4) @ #8 Cincinnati Cincinnati (9-0, AAC Champ)

2020 Twelve Team Playoff Bracket, Semifinals

I dunno about you guys, but those games all look spicy as hell to me. Waaaaaaaaaay better than the typical playoffs we've seen, even if it would still probably result in Bama winning it all. Hell, Coastal Carolina @ A&M alone would be worth expanding for.

Edit: Never mind this little thing. Go check out the full, indepth spreadsheet that u/MrTheSpork and friends did before the mods remove it.

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u/jpc4zd Notre Dame • Missouri S&T 8d ago

You need to move OU to 4th, ND to 5th, and A&M to 6th. As as been mentioned elsewhere, the top 4 seeds are only for Conference Champions, so ND would not be eligible for a top 4 seed (either as an independent or losing to Clemson in the ACC Champ Game last year).

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u/Tbrou16 LSU 8d ago

An LSU home playoff game at night? Holy shit

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u/lowercaset Auburn • /r/CFB Booster 8d ago

They'll hear neck clearly over in mobile.

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u/GoBucks4928 Ohio State • Tennessee 8d ago edited 8d ago

Top 4 conference champs. That means Notre Dame can’t get a bye if they’re top 4 even. That may just push them to join a conference

edit: I posted a thread but heather confirmed, ND would be left out: https://twitter.com/cfbheather/status/1403068203253764103?s=21

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u/shakin_the_bacon Western Michigan • /r/CFB Top Scorer 8d ago

Watch Notre Dame join the MAC and just curbstomp everyone so they can get the autobid lol

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u/GoBucks4928 Ohio State • Tennessee 8d ago

Wait lmao that’s genius

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u/-MrWrightt- Ohio State 8d ago

Even with NDs money i doubt the MAC would allow it. It wouldnt just be football, theyd dominate in every sport and athletes would be furious

(I know this was a joke but still)

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u/colby983 Texas A&M • Southwest 8d ago

There will be a Notre dame clause

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u/CharmCityNole Florida State • Maryland 8d ago

Cover3 did a great podcast about this topic this week

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u/SalGov143 Ohio State • Arizona 8d ago

I knew something was up with all the P5 non conference series being announced the last few days.

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u/ecs15 Duke • Carolina Victory Bell 8d ago

1) too many teams, 8 is perfect as long as highest ranking G5 is guaranteed a spot

2) all games aside from the championship should be on campuses

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u/QueefQueen6969 LSU 8d ago

You all are still going to bitch and moan when 3+ SEC teams get in

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u/bleedblue002 Missouri 8d ago

I really hope part of this is a college basketball type “quadrant system” (for lack of a better term) to evaluate wins. There needs to be a system in place to incentivize non-con scheduling. The Bill Snyder model of scheduling four gimme non-con wins needs to die yesterday. It’s bad for college football.

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u/ravaille Maryland 8d ago

I'd like that, but I'm not sure how well that would work since football only have a 12-13 game sample sizes and only 3-4 non-con games.

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u/boggan583 Texas A&M • Wake Forest 8d ago

Wasn't everyone BEGGING for expansion like 6 months ago? I think this is an incredible idea. The regular season ABSOLUTELY matters it's a HOME GAME. Imagine like a UF or A&M in a miserably hot state that has to go to Ohio State to play in December? Plus this gives more chances for upsets. I get that the bowl games won't mean AS much but cmon they're already devalued af outside of NY6. Can't wait to see how this plays out.

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