r/worldnews 2d ago

Pakistan's largest province, Punjab, will now block the cell phone of anyone who rejects COVID-19 vaccination COVID-19

https://www.dawn.com/news/1628625/punjab-govt-decides-to-block-sim-cards-of-people-refusing-vaccines
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u/ReverendDexter 2d ago

So... the vaccine really does give them better cell reception?

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u/minecraft_min604 2d ago

The crazy lady was right. The vaccine does have 5G

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u/GitEmSteveDave 2d ago

And look how this brass key sticks to my skin. Must be magnetics.

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u/balloonninjas 2d ago

eyes roll so hard it causes the Earth's spin to be knock off course for a brief second

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u/Procrasterman 2d ago

How can it spin if it’s flat though??

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u/DapperApples 2d ago

like pizza dough

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u/juliuspepperwoodchi 2d ago

Like a big-a pizza pie!

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u/WretchedMonkey 2d ago

Thatsa illuminati

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u/DarkSenf127 1d ago

No this is patrick

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u/chronoboy1985 2d ago

Weeeeee!!!!

We all eject from orbit and die in the vacuum of space

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u/Ol-JP-817 2d ago

Louie Gohmert in da house Y'all.

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u/SydneyRFC 2d ago

Will knocking the earth off it's orbit help with climate change?

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u/changerchange 2d ago

Yep. New orbit, 40,000,000 miles closer to the sun

Toasty...mmmmm

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u/T-ROY_T-REDDIT 2d ago

And hey look you can't have a phone without a charge and that charge is brought to you with magnetics which you can only use if you got the vaccine.

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u/monsooooooon 2d ago

ahem. Solar charge panel. Go green!

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u/BoreJam 2d ago

Moving electrical current still produces a small magnetic field. Checkmate vaxers!

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u/geeky_username 2d ago

And 4G, 3G, 2G

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u/tragicdiffidence12 2d ago

And Bluetooth! This vaccine ain’t so bad

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u/sjfiuauqadfj 2d ago

unfortunately it will also cause your iphones battery to take a nose dive

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u/felinefelons 2d ago

maaan that 5G thing was such a bait n switch from Verizon. my phone has always said it is in range of 5G but I have yet to see those speeds once

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u/adventureismycousin 2d ago

5G is just the uppermost limit it can do, not a guarantee of performance. Blarg.

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u/Dithyrab 2d ago

because of the 5G?

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u/tsujigimi 2d ago

Because of it constantly seeking service.

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u/kciuq1 2d ago

Because of Obi-Wan.

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u/yourewrong321 2d ago

Tell me about it...I had to turn off 5G on my iPhone 12 because it drained the battery so hard

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u/Oddity_Odyssey 2d ago

Thats funny. Mine doesn’t drain quickly. I don’t have consistent access to the true 5g tho so i stay on the fake 5g.

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u/Doxxxxxxxxxxx 2d ago

I’m laughing my ass off, thank you

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u/DegnarOskold 2d ago

For anti-terrorism reasons in the 2000s and 2010s (terrorists were using cell phones to detonate bombs and for secure communication) Pakistan successfully introduced a system of linking all cell phone SIM cards to people's National ID number. Now its largest province with almost half the national population will use this data to deactivate the SIM card of anyone who propagates COVID-19 by rejecting vaccination.

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u/rx_bandit90 2d ago

South Korea has a similar system of sell phone linking to (government issued personal ID number) does it not?

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u/zefiax 2d ago

Same in Bangladesh.

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u/IAmJustABunchOfAtoms 2d ago

Not for most prepaid cards which is what most people use

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u/rolllingthunder 2d ago

So like, do burner phones just not exist in these places?

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u/awkward_pakistaniX7 1d ago

At one point they did, you could get them on someone else's ID by bribing or social engineering, but that was cut down by having your ID biometrically verified in person or if you were on the phone you'd have to tell them your mother's maiden name which most likely only you and the government would know.

I think they might use sims from Afghanistan or smth on roaming, but that is a big giveaway in and of itself

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u/Lithl 1d ago

your mother's maiden name which most likely only you and the government would know.

Oh, you sweet summer child

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u/14779 1d ago

Off topic completely but I saw this really fun Facebook post and I thought we could all play along. Let's find out our porn star names! All you have to do is combine your street name and mother's maiden name!! If you could format your answers in csv that would save me a job. Thanks.

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u/Lithl 1d ago

Grunt Hardcheese!

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u/al_almani 1d ago edited 1d ago

From my experience in middle eastern and African countries, burner phones do not exist in most places. You can get a phone / sim fast, but have to bring national ID and they will scan it.

Edit:typo

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u/ChevyPlaydoh 1d ago

That’s what they meant, most folks use prepaid phones, ie burners.

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u/awkward_pakistaniX7 1d ago

Pre-paid sims have to be registered as well

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u/Aurora_Fatalis 2d ago

In Sweden your phone isn't technically supposed to be related, but it basically is your social security number anyway.

Can't do shit without a phone with BankID to identify yourself, and if your phone isn't Swedish then tough luck, because most websites and services will reject your phone for not having a phone number that's formatted in the Swedish way.

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u/theboy2010 2d ago

Holy hell.

On the one hand I see the advantages but damn this feels so grossly invasive. How else is my dealer gonna get calls on his Nokia 3210 if the feds know who he is?

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u/PurpleNiner 2d ago

There’s still whatsapp or telegram i guess, but yeah it would make it trickier if you can’t get a burner phone

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u/PoopOnYouGuy 2d ago

More like Signal. I wouldnt trust an app owned by facebook. Telegram is sketchy too unless you're using e2e encryption.

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

You can enable end to end encryption on Telegram very easily. Idk why its not default.

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u/Sweetness27 2d ago

You can't get a burner phone? Like is it illegal.

Just have two phones

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u/yoshinosumoto 2d ago

One for the plug and one for the load.

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u/popeh 2d ago

One for the bitches and one for the dough

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u/SD_03 2d ago

We have a solution to that too in pakistan,we have a saying here which trannslates to:"If you have 1000 ruppees you can do whatever the fck you want(bribery of police)."

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u/NoAttentionAtWrk 2d ago

You know what, there are always these moments you hear about things that people say in a country thats supposed to be your country's enemy. And in these moments you realise that we really are the same people across the border and the politics of Power is only what divides us

Because I live across the border from you on the Indian Punjabi side and my first reaction was that at 1000 rupees you are over paying the bribes.

500 is the median range for most bribe things (for day to day stuff. For the high end crimes, the price goes up accordingly). I even have this habit of hiding most of my cash inside the wallet in the inner flaps so that I can show the police guy that 500 is all I have and I have to get petrol to be able to reach home too! If it's 500 in 5 100 rupee bills, they take only 4. Once I only had a single 500 rupee note and the guy returned 250 from his own wallet

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u/DiligentCreme 2d ago

at 1000 rupees you are over paying the bribes.

It's 1000 Pakistani Rupees, so it's somewhere around INR 500.

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u/NoAttentionAtWrk 2d ago

Haha good to know that we follow an international standard in corruption

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u/crash-oregon 2d ago

Super beautiful words. We can’t let propaganda control our thoughts and emotions

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u/itsastonka 2d ago

6-7 USD for anyone curious. Dear lord

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u/Turbo1928 2d ago

The cost of living might be lower, which would help explain that. A low-middle class American salary would be an upper class salary in a lot of places in the world

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u/itsastonka 2d ago

Oh for sure. Was just trying to help folks make a little sense of the numbers.

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u/Wurm42 2d ago

Many people have an "official" phone linked to their ID and a private phone that's basically a burner.

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u/NoAttentionAtWrk 2d ago

How do you get the private phone? From a different country?

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u/Hedgehogzilla 2d ago

Say what?

In what way is your phone and your social security number related?

What can't you do without BankID?

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u/feanturi 2d ago

formatted in the Swedish way.

So a zero in the number has to be ø or ó?

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u/Cherrycho 2d ago

Now that's some real heresy

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u/green_meeples 2d ago

Swedish doesn't use either of those letters

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u/hickorydickoryshaft 2d ago

A møøse once bit my sister.

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u/dw444 2d ago

You have to get fingerprinted to get a SIM card in Pakistan, even a prepaid one.

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u/icantloginsad 2d ago

You can also use your fingerprint to access any ATM. They’ll even give you a list of accounts you can use.

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u/bingybunny 2d ago

Can you just cut someone's finger off and make a withdrawal like in sci fi movies?

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u/ADHD_brain_goes_brrr 2d ago

Life hack is always in the comments

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u/hthec19 2d ago

Literal hack

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u/chmilz 2d ago

Biometrics are a username, not a password. This is a terrible idea.

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u/icantloginsad 2d ago

You still have to enter your ATM pin code. You just don’t need your debit card

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u/various_necks 2d ago edited 1d ago

Is this new? My wife's friend has a baggie of Pakistani SIM cards and she's constantly calling from new numbers, because we keep blocking the previous numbers she's called from because she's a pain in the ass.

EDIT: Because people are curious, she's the type of friend that you had in childhood but only reaches out to you when they need something outlandish or outrageous; like money or contacts to someone that you know will leave you in a bad light, or just sketchy get-rich-quick situations that you nope right out of. She's one of those and my wife is too polite to tell her to get lost, so i have to step in and start shielding calls, but then she's got a new number that she's calling from.

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u/dw444 2d ago edited 2d ago

One person can legally have up to five sims registered under their name. People use sims registered to relatives so, theoretically, there’s no limit to how many sims one can have but letting someone else use a sim registered under your name means you’re on the hook for any illegal activity that sim is used for.

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u/Eokoe 2d ago

"friend"

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u/LyptusConnoisseur 2d ago

Everything is linked to your personal ID including your medical record, financial activity, and your internet activity, from what I understand.

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u/TheyCallMeMarkus 2d ago

Here in latvia unless it's prepaid it's technically linked too. Not directly linked but the carrier has your name and personal ID number and possibly bank account info if you have auto billing.

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u/jellyfish_bitchslap 2d ago

Here in Brazil you can’t even use a prepaid without giving your ID number. At the moment you buy the SIM you need to call the carrier and give it to them or you’ll not even have signal.

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u/talaron 2d ago

I mean that's the same everywhere: If you have a contract with your carrier, they know who you are. The question is A) whether the government has direct access to that information, and B) whether there exists an alternative (e.g. getting a pre-paid SIM) that is unlinked.

I'm all for encouraging people to get vaccinated, but Pakistan's move here is pretty problematic and yet another example how giving the government (or companies) more data than necessary can eventually backfire.

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u/Teripid 2d ago

Prepaid and burner phones provide an option at least but the linkage is certainly troubling from a personal freedom standpoint.

Now if you're paranoid (or just want privacy) you can encrypt traffic and presumably that's secure but the main on/off switch would be a hard one unless you're making pretty significant efforts.

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u/eitauisunity 2d ago

Once they do something like this for a 'justified' reason all they need to do is find a justification to do it for any reason.

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u/obsessedcrf 2d ago

Exactly. Nobody should be celebrating that. If the government has the power to do that, they will almost certainly abuse it as some point. I'm all for government encouraging vaccinations (preferably with incentives - rather than restrictions) but having a government who can turn off your cellphone at will is extremely dangerous

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u/itsastonka 2d ago

Ladies and gents, the cat has left the bag

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u/that-crow 2d ago

Even though its reddit. I didn't expect to see so many people in support of this

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u/luther_williams 2d ago

Yes they do, in fact we had a break out of COVID19 happen at a gay night club. Many people didn't want to come forward because being gay is still looked down upon and they didn't want their co-workers/family to know they were at a gay night club.

So S. Korea pulled cell phone data and went door to door getting people tested for COVID19

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u/IRSoup 2d ago

America would fucking implode if this was every even thought about being introduced...

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u/casuallyirritated 2d ago

For good reason

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u/Kemiser31 2d ago

Obama was the first president to ever kill an American citizen with a drone:).

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u/MakeForTheBees 1d ago

The figureheads change, yet the regime is always the same.

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u/k8faust 2d ago

To be fair, S. Korea requires (or required?) your ID# for a lot of things, including even signing up for gaming accounts (which, I think, was because it involved monetary transactions).

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u/sentrix 2d ago

Correct! All verification is done through our phone number because it links directly back to our personal ID number.

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u/OneTime_AtBandCamp 2d ago

India does the same shit which makes it super annoying to visit because you can't even get airport wifi without a national ID. Meanwhile, the UK is selling SIM cards in vending machines at Heathrow.

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u/jaltair9 2d ago

I’m an American with Indian parents, so I visit India pretty often. This shit is super irritating.

To make matters worse, they demand an Aadhar card from the same state. All my relatives live in Maharashtra and Gujarat. One trip I went to Madhya Pradesh and didn’t go to MH or GJ at all. Nobody would sell me a SIM because I had to have an Aadhar card with an MP address, which of course neither I nor any of my relatives had.

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u/OneTime_AtBandCamp 2d ago

Similar situation to you, from Canada. I'm close with some of my cousins, so they typically buy an extra SIM in their own name and let me borrow it while I'm there. It's technically illegal lol. Traveling to and in India is stressful at the best of times. The SIM nonsense just makes it way worse.

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u/NoAttentionAtWrk 2d ago

Your post made me realise that my current sim is linked to my friend's uncle's friend's aadhar card for the last 4 years because he was nice enough to arrange one for us

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u/vj_c 2d ago

It's been a while since I've been, but you used to be able to get an Indian SIM at the airport with an OCI card, passport & proof of address in your home country (in my case my UK address). Don't they let you do that anymore?

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u/Iron_Maiden_666 2d ago

Can you not get a Sim with just the passport? This aadhar craze is quite stupid.

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u/harwee 2d ago

I denied giving Airtel aadhar in Pune, they just took my DL(not even from Maharashtra) as POI and they gave me a SIM, maybe it depends on awareness of people in store and our persistence of not giving Aadhar.

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u/jaltair9 2d ago

We tried with Vodafone, Idea, Airtel, and Jio. All insisted on an Aadhar card; my aunt who was with us, is an Indian citizen, but has no aadhar because she’s an NRI couldn’t get one either.

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u/Alternative-Club1195 2d ago

I’m not saying it’s for a bad reason but stuff like this so why people are paranoid about data collection by any partyy in the first place

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u/Waterstealer 2d ago

Never give a power to the government you wouldn’t want inherited by hitler.

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u/LobotomizedPig 2d ago

Quote of the year award goes to...

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u/GastricallyStretched 2d ago

This reminds me that a dude named Adolf Hitler actually won a Namibian local election in 2020.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-55173605

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u/kontemplador 1d ago

What a quote.

Yes. This should be our mantra for public policy. We cannot never know if the person we elect next is hitler.

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u/Fuck_auto_tabs 2d ago

Ok that’s some truly wild stuff.

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u/LiGuangMing1981 2d ago

I could see China implementing something like this if they deem it necessary - all mobile phone cards here are linked to ID numbers as well.

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u/insufficient_mana 2d ago

no need, they just kick you off wechat

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u/Far_Mathematici 2d ago

I'm surprised if they haven't. In Europe sim card needs to be verified by passport/id, including travellers sim card.

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u/marpocky 2d ago

They were talking about the blocking service thing. SIM cards are already linked to ID in China, for at least 10 years now.

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u/Far_Mathematici 2d ago

They'll block on wechat level since that's where chinese digital lifes are.

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u/extremely-neutral 2d ago

Yeah at least you have to show your passport / id card. I am not sure if linked is the same thing though. Maybe they just check it but it isn't directly linked?

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u/vacunas 2d ago

They want to introduce this shit in Mexico too smh (linking SIM cards with ID)

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u/zefiax 2d ago

Bangladesh has the same system. Not because of terrorism, but just cause.

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u/aDrunkWithAgun 2d ago

And the they found out how to connect a 9v battery to a buried wire

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u/GoneInSixtyFrames 2d ago

tion will use this data to deactivate the SIM card of anyone who propagates COVID-19 by rejecting vaccination.

I am sure the U.S.A data hounds are so jelly, but it matches my hypothesis that cell phones will replace SSNs. In the U.S. the big push will come when a major hack happens again but can't be ignored and the entire country goes offline for a few days.

The only solution, no 100% ID no access.

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u/Foomaster512 2d ago

Imagine that happening in the states, holy fuck

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u/ZDTreefur 2d ago

Imagine that happening in any western country. It's not a good look.

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u/LimitlessAeon 2d ago

People laud this shit every time it happens, then cry about it years later. No one remembers the patriot and freedom acts?

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u/UnmotivatedDiacritic 2d ago

I don’t think anyone has forgotten about the PATRIOT/freedom acts.

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u/sketchy-h 1d ago

why does these american acts always mean the opposite of their titles?

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u/jabonkagigi 1d ago

It's part of the brainwashing process

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u/HipHopGrandpa 1d ago
  1. Double-Speak at its finest.
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u/Cory123125 2d ago

It really pisses me off how willing the common person is to give away huge rights like privacy, bodily autonomy, travel freedom and more because of vague or temporary threats.

Think of the [kids, terrorists, minorities, virus].

Whatever it may be, it is never ever worth giving up our rights.

I just don't understand how people flip so easily on this when if you asked them otherwise they would scream bloody murder if you suggested they weren't actually proponents of human rights.

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u/TuckerCarlsonsWig 2d ago

I was just listening to a radio show from 2001 today and they were talking about how it’s ok to give up your rights because of terrorism because you’ll get them back when the terrorists are no longer a threat.

Here we are 20 years later and nothing has changed

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u/betarded 2d ago

Haven't tried in the rest of the EU, but Germany requires ID to get a sim card.

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u/xamar6 2d ago

Same in Spain, even prepaid ones..

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u/throwa4543634 2d ago

Sadly there is no lack of people cheering on the erosion of freedoms in the name of safety. Many people will be overjoyed to hear this.

Mask mandates and maybe even lockdowns make sense in some cases, but removing people's ability to communicate with each other? How on earth does that make sense.

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u/SoutheasternComfort 2d ago

I stole this from another poster, but it's interesting. "Here's what SCOTUS had to say in the majority opinion upholding compulsory vaccinations during the smallpox epidemic:"

There is, of course, a sphere within which the individual may assert the supremacy of his own will and rightfully dispute the authority of any human government, especially of any free government existing under a written constitution, to interfere with the exercise of that will. But it is equally true that, in every well ordered society charged with the duty of conserving the safety of its members the rights of the individual in respect of his liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand.

197 U.S. 11

So not really lol, don't know why people have to try so hard to feel superior to others. If people feel it's justified it'll happen. Also see: The Patriot Act

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u/thatswhatshesaidxx 1d ago

PRISMs existence was a major player in the conspiracy theory world. For that to be shown as true and the resounding shrug from the public that followed...I wouldn't be surprised at all if stuff like this story comes to a Western power near you next.

And people will totally accept it.

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u/Nomandate 2d ago

I’m not anti-vax but I’m not pro-totalitarian either.

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u/mrbbrj 2d ago

Should be called Pro-jab.

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u/LobsterEater69420 2d ago

That's a pretty good pun about the jab.

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u/reborngoat 2d ago

Both of you shut up and take my upvotes.

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u/sikhcoder 2d ago

Since we’re all here, Panjab means 5 (Panj) Rivers(Aab), based on the 5 rivers in the region.

It was divided into 2 during the 1947 partition to a lot of bloodshed, based on religious lines, by the British.

Sorry, carry on. I couldn’t hesitate to share my region’s history.

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u/TyroneTeabaggington 2d ago

My Punjabi colleagues are always super impressed when I bust out 5 rivers on them the first time.

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u/ttak82 2d ago

Ravi, Sutlej, Beas, Chenab, Jhelum. Now go and impress them further!

They all merge into Indus River.

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u/_HelloHelloHello_ 1d ago

Didn't India block/stop the flow of 2 of the rivers going into Pakistan?

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u/ttak82 1d ago

I am not an expert on the IWT. Both countries have their concerns, though.

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u/ValidStatus 1d ago

Yes, they did that back in the 60s I beleive. They dammed/redirected them, barely letting any water through.

About every year when those dams start overflowing, they release the water into Pakistan without/with late warning causing damage, and death.

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u/Willsgb 2d ago

Thank you, I genuinely had no idea about that. The British empire is responsible for so much trauma and upheaval it's mind boggling. They invented concentration camps during the Boer war, I believe.

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u/sikhcoder 2d ago

I had never heard of the Boer War. Adding to my read before sleeping list, thank you.

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u/Zigtron 2d ago

That's a pun, about jabs. Pun-jab. And the circle is complete.

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u/XymerianMonk 2d ago

Thank God finally a respite from my car's extended warranty.

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u/doritoscornchips 2d ago

Well now that you mentioned it I've been trying to get a hold of you....

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u/Impressive-Fortune82 2d ago

This is a final warning!

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u/ThatOneGuy4321 2d ago

So they have the ability to terminate the cell communications of anyone in the country using their ID.

Can’t possibly see that kind of power being abused…

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u/AresZippy 2d ago

It is already being abused

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

Linking sim to ID is pretty common in a lot of European countries.

Germany, sweden, italy, norway, taiwan, Singapore, south korea, greece etc require ID to get a sim card.

https://buzzsim.com/mandatory-real-name-registration-for-prepaid-sim-card-in-different-countries/

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u/Tupile 2d ago

I can understand the logic about the movie theaters and marriage halls.. but blocking cell phone service seems unrelated to health or logic completely.

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u/god_im_bored 2d ago

New measures like this are all about creating a precedent. They do it with something that people are uncomfortable protesting against (similar to think of the children), and then eventually expand it to shit that everyone disagrees with but can’t really complain anymore because they allowed the precedent.

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u/Hairy_Air 1d ago

I don't remember where I read this quote but it was as follows

"To defend liberty we must defend the rascals and the scum. Because all tyrannical laws are made first against the criminals only to be extended to everyone later".

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u/gnovos 2d ago

Won’t that mean they are forced to speak face-to-face with people? That might be counterproductive…

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u/BlurredSight 2d ago

Data and phone is used for everything like TV, Sports, Etc. most people over there especially in villages will have 4G LTE but won't have broadband

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u/Wellheloder 1d ago

This is insanely alarming and invasive

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u/Hermit1983 2d ago

I'm very much pro-vaccine but.. uhh.. I don't think I'm cool with this.

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u/TheLastKenneth 1d ago

This is bad, people. You don't want a government to disable important parts of your life because you didn't fall in line.

Vaccines are important. Threatening people isn't the right way to ensure a healthy, educated populace.

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u/Elecrockcity 2d ago

Oh hey look actual authoritarianism.

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u/rugby_fc 2d ago

And there's so many people in this thread actually in support of this. What an absolute shitshow.

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u/RationalizedEquation 2d ago

I really don't understand the jokes. This is insane. People are bringing up terrorists but even then it was infringing on innocent people's rights.

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u/effyochicken 2d ago

Yeah I'm the most ardent supporter of vaccination and this is insane. The government shouldn't be allowed to punish people for not getting any vaccine, especially such a harsh punishment as cutting off their communication means.

The actual fuck.

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u/JungleDanDaPirateMan 2d ago

I've been holding off on getting the vaccine because there have been links to some heart complications related to it. And considering I have a heart condition I don't really know what to do.

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u/twenty_characters020 2d ago

My best advice would be to talk to your doctor and get professional advice.

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u/lurch350z 1d ago

Hey, who doesn't like a little bit of fascism...

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u/wildcat_cap85 2d ago

So they're forcing people to take it

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u/isiramteal 1d ago

'Dude just move to another country'

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u/DeadTime34 2d ago

That's kind of fucked up. In many places phones/internet are practically seen as a right due to it's importance for work and social integration.

I'm down with measures to get people vaccinated but that seems like a dangerous overstep to me.

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u/AmogusChar 1d ago

What do you think India/Pakistan should do instead of cutting off people's cell service if they don't vaccinate? Let vast swathes of their population die because a lot of the population is scientifically illiterate and aren't careful about spreading the virus?
Like, you're quick to point out that it's bad, but people like you never propose some sort of alternative. What exactly should they do?

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u/2701_ 2d ago

Well then how are they going to call to schedule their Covid vaccine appointments if their phones don't work?

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u/wildcard5 1d ago

We no longer have to do that. We just need to walk in to any vaccination center with our ID cards as long as you are 19 and above.

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u/newbdad1 2d ago

How are so many of you okay with this and making jokes?

This is totalitarian stuff and should be denounced worldwide.

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u/fnord_happy 2d ago

Because it's a random third world country that redditors don't care about

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u/giszmo 2d ago

I'm surprised to see so many anti-authoritarian comments up-voted here on this sub that's normally dominated by authoritarians.

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u/Lazy_Feeling_6014 1d ago

People fail to realize how terrible this is god help this world

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u/Lone_K 2d ago

Yea, that's quite a bit overstepping it there.

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u/northernirishlad 2d ago

This feels wrong. Whether you have pro or anti vax views, or even just want to wait for the jab to be safe (also fair viewpoint) then why should that dictate your choices at a governmental level.

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u/ElectricHeathen 2d ago

Fascism doesn't happen overnight folks. The number of people today willing to give up freedoms our forebears fought for and cheering on growing unquestioned state powers is disturbing

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u/cgmcnama 2d ago

Are COVID numbers really bad there? Or people just refusing to vaccinate. (I know anti-vax was big for polio but some blamed how the US got Bin Laden, a fake vaccination for DNA, as to why some don't)

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u/LiGuangMing1981 2d ago

The CIA used vaccination campaigns as a cover for their activities in Pakistan in the past, which has done immense harm to vaccination campaigns in that country ever since.

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u/DroidChargers 2d ago

TIL Punjab was split in two and one is in India and the other in Pakistan. My family is from India Punjab and Ive been there several times yet i had literally no idea 🤯

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u/thatswhatshesaidxx 2d ago

I don't care how pro or anti you are on any of this. If you can't grasp the slippery fucking slope of people saying "take this literal experimental shot or you can't use the device that houses your entire life", you're far too gone.

I say this as a fully vaccinated person.

This is fucked.

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u/edawglaflame 2d ago

Honestly you give the government an inch they take a mile. I don’t care if your pro or anti vax, this should disturb you deeply

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u/ParadiseD1 2d ago

Getting vaccinated is the best thing to do, but punishing people for not doing is wrong and authoritarian.

I don't know how some people think "that's okay".

What's next?

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u/leperemagloire 2d ago

The absolute cringe of people defending this. The modern man will accept whatever authorities throw at him, the herd mentality helping.

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u/InnocentTailor 2d ago edited 2d ago

Yeah.

Is getting the vaccine good? Of course. However, this is very heavy-handed as a method and could set precedent for future things a government can do in Pakistan to get folks to do what they want.

Take this jab, drink this, eat that, listen to him, ignore her.

...and so on and so on.

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u/MoManTai 2d ago

Yeah.

...could set precedent for future things a government can do in India to get folks to do what they want.

This is Pakistan, sir.

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u/Ohboiawkward 2d ago

I'm shocked that so many people are alright with this. This is terrifying, not progressive.

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u/Coalboal 2d ago edited 2d ago

If anyone ever wonders how fascism, communism, or any other authoritarianism came to be, it was never over night, and has always involved persecuting an underclass that people are unwilling to stick up for.

This is absolutely totalitarian in nature and I'd be flabbergasted to see the mask mob extremists on here defending this, if you think there should be an underclass of people who can't call anyone relevant in the case of an emergency or access government functions they might need

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u/-Nathan02- 2d ago

They shouldn't be able to get away with doing this sort of thing.

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u/softoandweto 2d ago

This is going way too far and will only give more ammo and paranoia to the antivaxx nutjobs.

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u/RonnyFreedom 2d ago

This is fucking tyranny.

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u/buhdee4 2d ago

Disgusting.

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u/thebuccaneersden 2d ago

Me thinks this is taking things a step too far.

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u/robjordan88 2d ago

This is getting dangerous

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u/CanuckCanadian 2d ago

I’m vaccinated and going for my second shot soon. This is crossing the line.

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u/yung-n-nasty 2d ago

I know people on Reddit think everyone should get the vaccine, but this is truthfully a shitty thing for a government to do.

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